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Title: It's official: Analysis says bailouts saved economy
Source: chron
URL Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7160768.html
Published: Sep 4, 2010
Author: FROMA HARROP
Post Date: 2010-09-04 04:03:22 by lucysmom
Keywords: bailout, economy, unemployment
Views: 133496
Comments: 163

Using econometric models, Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi argue that the bailouts, the stimulus and other extraordinary actions saved America from nothing less than another Great Depression. Blinder was vice chairman of the Federal Reserve. Zandi is chief economist at Moody's Analytics and advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008, the results would have been horrific, their study says. Real gross domestic product would have fallen a "stunning" 12 percent, rather than the actual decline of 4 percent. Nearly 17 million jobs would have vanished, twice as many as the real count. And the unemployment rate would have peaked at 16.5 percent.

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Ignoring what might have happened had the government not launched a vigorous response may be irresponsible, but it can be good politics. That's because many Americans — seeing the weak job picture and forgetting their own terror during the early days of the economic freefall - can be convinced that such polices were ineffective and possibly counterproductive.

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing. At least the family knows that the operation was needed.

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#2. To: lucysmom (#0)

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing.

Hahahahahahaha . . . yeah, people sure are stupid, ain't they? Why, Zero and his merry band of Marxists should be leading in the polls by 70, 80, even 90 percent.

I'm sooooooooo glad that we have statists like you, Zero, and most of the democrat party to save us from ourselves. / extreme sarcasm

BTW - you do know, don't you, that it has been said that you could lock 5 economists in a room, and they would come out with at least 6 different opinions, right?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   9:29:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ignore Amos (#2)

Hahahahahahaha . . . yeah, people sure are stupid, ain't they? Why, Zero and his merry band of Marxists should be leading in the polls by 70, 80, even 90 percent.

Please help me remember - who was president when

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008...

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#6)

Please help me remember - who was president when

Thanks for reminding me. I should have added Bush to my list of statists.

You will have to help me out, though. Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   10:16:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ignore Amos (#8)

Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Wasn't it Bush who looked into Pootie-poots eyes and recognized a kindred spirit?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:27:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#10)

Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Wasn't it Bush who looked into Pootie-poots eyes and recognized a kindred spirit?

Okay, so he's a statist AND a Marxist.

Again I ask - why do you folks hate him so?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   11:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ignore Amos (#30)

why do you folks hate him so?

Because we have no defense against big spending, liberal Republicans.

Bush spent money like crazy. What did the left and media accuse him of? Having "extreme free market policies". So, of course the solution is even more government.

At least when the GOP is in opposition, they pretend to be for limited government.

When they hold power, they are a huge catalyst for even larger government, like we are getting now.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   11:49:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#32)

why do you folks hate him so?

Judging from your posts jw, I think you and I are in agreement about 90 percent of the time. If I read you right, we see no redemption in the GOP, and certainly not in the democrats.

The above question - which I posed to lucysmom - was meant to illustrate the need of those on the Left to demonize someone. Which is funny if you think about it because most of them probably don't really believe there is inherent evil in the world (in the form of a devil, or Satan.)

To them, throwing out the "Bush/Cheney"; or now, the "Sarah Palin" card, is meant to stifle discussion. Period. End of discussion.

They have no arguments. Zero has demonstrated for all (except perhaps his most brain-dead syncophants) the bankruptcy of ideas and policies of the Left.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   11:59:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ignore Amos (#35)

To them, throwing out the "Bush/Cheney"; or now, the "Sarah Palin" card, is meant to stifle discussion. Period. End of discussion.

Bull shit.. what you just posted is meant to stifle discussion.

mininggold  posted on  2010-09-04   12:21:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold (#37) (Edited)

Bull shit.. what you just posted is meant to stifle discussion.

I "discuss" any topic with anyone.

What I won't waste my time on are brain-dead partisans who can't get over their hatred for a failed president.

Hey - I've got an idea. Wanna talk about failed presidents? Let's talk about Carter. He's about as relevant to today's events as Bush.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   12:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ignore Amos (#40)

Wanna talk about failed presidents? Let's talk about Carter. He's about as relevant to today's events as Bush.

That's a ridiculous statement. Bush is the direct link to the problems we're facing today, not Carter. All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush, and are being continued by Obama.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-09-04   12:36:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Skip Intro and go directly to democrat talking points (#43)

I checked and I'm still on bozo

So you can't see me.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   14:29:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ignore Amos (#50)

I checked and I'm still on bozo

So you can't see me.

Yet you can't recant one thing he posted. Discussion of the perpetrator of the two wars you say you hate is a Dem talking point? What a troll you turned out to be. You need to be involved in getting rid of the Neocons in your party instead you attack those that point them out.

mininggold  posted on  2010-09-04   14:41:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold, Skip Intro and proceed directly to democrat talking points (#53)

Yet you can't recant one thing he posted.

Yes, I can.

That's a ridiculous statement.
No, it's not.
Bush is the direct link to the problems we're facing today, not Carter.
Some would argue that Carter's complete incompetence led to the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran in '79 - which leads to the Iranian situation today. In that regard, Carter is as guilty as Bush.
All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush,
ROFLOL! Yep - if only that evil Bush had never been born. What a moronic statement.

Like I said, Skippy adds nothing to the discussion.

and are being continued by Obama.
Well, looky there. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   14:58:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ignore Amos (#58)

Some would argue that Carter's complete incompetence led to the Ayatollah's revolution in Iran in '79 - which leads to the Iranian situation today

The U.S. government's support for the Shah of Iran and other meddling in their internal affairs lead to the Ayatollahs. But yes, the perception of Carter in the world -- as an incompetent weakling -- led to the Iranian hostage crisis, which promptly ended on the day Reagan was inaugurated.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   15:04:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: jwpegler (#59) (Edited)

The U.S. government's support for the Shah of Iran and other meddling in their internal affairs lead to the Ayatollahs.

I agree - and in a perfect world we wouldn't have been doing that.

Which is the point I've so far not been able to make with others - call them wars, meddling, whatever - the modern day international problems we're seeing began at least with the Truman Admin.

The seeds of the economic problems began with FDR. edit: on second thought, they probably began with Hoover

I believe upcoming events will force us to pull back and not try to be world policeman.

That will be one of the few potential positives to come out of the upcoming crash.

As far as POTUS' go - I suppose the best we can hope for is "competence". As much as I disgreed with his policies and direction, I have to admit Clinton was comptetent. So was Reagan. So was Eisenhower.

None of the others (except perhaps Truman) since WWII have been.

And with Carter, Bush, and now Zero - we see where incompetence leads.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   15:14:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Ignore Amos (#63) (Edited)

The seeds of the economic problems began with FDR. edit: on second thought, they probably began with Hoover

The problems started before that.

In the 1910s we got:

The 17th amendment (1913), which removed the check and balance that the states had with the federal government.

The 16th amendment (1913), which enabled the federal government to tax people

The Federal Reserve Act (1913), which enabled the politicians to buy off special interests with inflation in addition to taxes

Involvement in the Great War (1917), which we mistakenly call World War I.

This is where our long-term problems come from.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   15:27:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: jwpegler, Skip Intro and go directly to democrat fax machine (#66)

This is where our long-term problems come from.

I was thinking more of the notion that "big-government" can solve all problems. To me, that began some during Hoover, and became the norm under FDR.

But you are correct, of course. Maybe the most accurate thing to say is the problems began when the Constitution was tossed aside.

In any event, it makes Skippy's statement:

All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush,
all the more ridiculous.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   15:34:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ignore Amos, skippy (#70)

In any event, it makes Skippy's statement:

All the disastrous decisions we're dealing with now started with Bush, all the more ridiculous.

Skippy is a typical leftwingnut pinhead.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-04   15:40:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Ibluafartsky (#72)

Skippy is a typical leftwingnut pinhead.

Naaaah, but I will agree that Skippy needed to go all the way back to Lincoln to find the origins of this nation's constitutional problems.

mininggold  posted on  2010-09-04   15:44:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#90. To: mininggold (#75)

Naaaah, but I will agree that Skippy needed to go all the way back to Lincoln to find the origins of this nation's constitutional problems.

Since I have Ibluamadogsky on bozo, care to tell me what this is all about?

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