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Title: It's official: Analysis says bailouts saved economy
Source: chron
URL Source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/7160768.html
Published: Sep 4, 2010
Author: FROMA HARROP
Post Date: 2010-09-04 04:03:22 by lucysmom
Keywords: bailout, economy, unemployment
Views: 133490
Comments: 163

Using econometric models, Alan Blinder and Mark Zandi argue that the bailouts, the stimulus and other extraordinary actions saved America from nothing less than another Great Depression. Blinder was vice chairman of the Federal Reserve. Zandi is chief economist at Moody's Analytics and advised Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008, the results would have been horrific, their study says. Real gross domestic product would have fallen a "stunning" 12 percent, rather than the actual decline of 4 percent. Nearly 17 million jobs would have vanished, twice as many as the real count. And the unemployment rate would have peaked at 16.5 percent.

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Ignoring what might have happened had the government not launched a vigorous response may be irresponsible, but it can be good politics. That's because many Americans — seeing the weak job picture and forgetting their own terror during the early days of the economic freefall - can be convinced that such polices were ineffective and possibly counterproductive.

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing. At least the family knows that the operation was needed.

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#2. To: lucysmom (#0)

They remind me of family members who, four weeks after a quadruple bypass, want to know why Grandpa isn't dancing.

Hahahahahahaha . . . yeah, people sure are stupid, ain't they? Why, Zero and his merry band of Marxists should be leading in the polls by 70, 80, even 90 percent.

I'm sooooooooo glad that we have statists like you, Zero, and most of the democrat party to save us from ourselves. / extreme sarcasm

BTW - you do know, don't you, that it has been said that you could lock 5 economists in a room, and they would come out with at least 6 different opinions, right?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   9:29:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ignore Amos (#2)

Hahahahahahaha . . . yeah, people sure are stupid, ain't they? Why, Zero and his merry band of Marxists should be leading in the polls by 70, 80, even 90 percent.

Please help me remember - who was president when

Had Washington not taken any aggressive steps starting in 2008...

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#6)

Please help me remember - who was president when

Thanks for reminding me. I should have added Bush to my list of statists.

You will have to help me out, though. Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   10:16:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ignore Amos (#8)

Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Wasn't it Bush who looked into Pootie-poots eyes and recognized a kindred spirit?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-09-04   10:27:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#10)

Is it because Bush didn't quite rise to the level of Marxist that you folks hate him so?

Wasn't it Bush who looked into Pootie-poots eyes and recognized a kindred spirit?

Okay, so he's a statist AND a Marxist.

Again I ask - why do you folks hate him so?

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   11:45:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ignore Amos (#30)

why do you folks hate him so?

Because we have no defense against big spending, liberal Republicans.

Bush spent money like crazy. What did the left and media accuse him of? Having "extreme free market policies". So, of course the solution is even more government.

At least when the GOP is in opposition, they pretend to be for limited government.

When they hold power, they are a huge catalyst for even larger government, like we are getting now.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   11:49:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: jwpegler, lucysmom (#32)

why do you folks hate him so?

Judging from your posts jw, I think you and I are in agreement about 90 percent of the time. If I read you right, we see no redemption in the GOP, and certainly not in the democrats.

The above question - which I posed to lucysmom - was meant to illustrate the need of those on the Left to demonize someone. Which is funny if you think about it because most of them probably don't really believe there is inherent evil in the world (in the form of a devil, or Satan.)

To them, throwing out the "Bush/Cheney"; or now, the "Sarah Palin" card, is meant to stifle discussion. Period. End of discussion.

They have no arguments. Zero has demonstrated for all (except perhaps his most brain-dead syncophants) the bankruptcy of ideas and policies of the Left.

Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-09-04   11:59:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ignore Amos (#35)

To them, throwing out the "Bush/Cheney"; or now, the "Sarah Palin" card, is meant to stifle discussion. Period. End of discussion.

Yes that is very evident.

The Democrats successfully ran against Herbert Hoover (another big government Republican) for 50 years. Never mind that Roosevelt made things worse. We can't go back to Hoover. That was the false choice that was presented.

They are trying to do it again today.

It's not going to work this time because of the free flow of information we have on the internet, smartphones, talk radio, and cable television.

Thanks to the new media (including this board) everyone but the most unreconstructed leftist knows that Obama's policies have failed.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   12:24:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: jwpegler (#38)

Thanks to the new media (including this board) everyone but the most unreconstructed leftist knows that Obama's policies have failed.

We lost close to 3MM jobs in 2008. We lost another MM+ in the first few months of 2009.

For you to declare the policies that stopped that bleeding a failure is just absolute insanity.

war  posted on  2010-09-04   12:32:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: war (#41) (Edited)

We've lost more than 2 million jobs since the "stimulus" was passed. 280,000 of them were during "recovery summer". LOL!!!!!

The bailout and "stimulus" have done nothing but prolong the pain. Unemployment is worse today than when Bush left office.

The same was true of Roosevelt's policies in the 1930s. Unemployment was worse in 1938 than it was in 1932.

Government policies created the mess we are in. Government policies are preventing the market from reallocating resources to correct the problems.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-04   12:47:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: jwpegler (#46)

Unemployment is worse today than when Bush left office.

Are you claiming that the day Bush left office that it was the end of his effect?

When he left office the recession was over a year old and showing no signs of abating.

war  posted on  2010-09-05   12:05:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: war, jwpegler (#113)

When he left office the recession was over a year old and showing no signs of abating.

Congress, the purse string controllers, had been a dim majority for two years.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08   17:48:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Ibluafartsky (#150) (Edited)

Congress, the purse string controllers, had been a dim majority for two years.

One word: VETO.

Bush vetoed a whopping 12 bills in 8 years. Jerry Ford vetoed 66 bills in 2 years.

Bush either loved big government as much as the Democrats or he was a complete coward.

In my view, both were true.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   17:55:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: jwpegler (#151)

Bush either loved big government as much as the Democrats or he was a complete coward.

Neither of which excuse the controllers of the purse strings.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08   17:59:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Ibluafartsky (#152) (Edited)

Neither of which excuse the controllers of the purse strings.

Once again, you are either not reading the post or just not comprehending it.

Bush didn't veto squat. He signed all of those big spending bills without putting up a fight.

Of course the Democrats want to spend money. That's what they do.

Jerry Ford put up a courageous fight -- 66 vetoes in 2 years. Bush signed almost everything.

WHY did Bush sign almost everything? A.) because he wanted those big spending bills or B.) because he was the biggest pussy we've ever had in the White House.

I don't care which one it is, he was one of the worst Presidents (right down there with Johnson, Carter, and Obama) in my lifetime.

Horrible. Miserable. Stupid.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   18:56:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: jwpegler (#153)

Bush didn't veto squat. He signed all of those big spending bills without putting up a fight.

I DGAS about Bush. It only proves that the dims cannot be trusted or worked with. The dems had a majority along with the likes of Snowe, Collins, etc. They were and always will be the spenders. How many trillions have Obama and the rats put us in debt?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08   19:17:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Ibluafartsky (#154)

It only proves...

It only proves... that Bush favored big government or was a coward.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   19:51:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: jwpegler (#155)

It only proves...

The dems had a majority along with the likes of Snowe, Collins, etc. They were and always will be the spenders. How many trillions have Obama and the rats put us in debt?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08   20:05:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Ibluafartsky (#156)

The dems had a majorit

Go to a dictionary and look up the word VETO.

Bush had a lousy 12 of them in 8 years. Jerry Ford had 66 in 2 years.

Look "veto" up in the dictionary and it will all become very clear.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   20:10:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: jwpegler (#157)

Go to a dictionary and look up the word VETO.

The dems had a majority along with the likes of Snowe, Collins, etc. They were and always will be the spenders. How many trillions have Obama and the rats put us in debt?

You keep obfuscating. Who is responsible for the trillions we are now in debt?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08   20:18:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Ibluafartsky (#158)

dems had a majority

Until you acknowledge that Bush could have prevented the spending by: A.) vetoing it like Ford did or B.) impounding the money like Nixon did, I'm done with conversation.

I am so tired of the ignorant, stupid, Bush worshipers that I just don't want to talk to you any more.

The Obama worshipers defend Obama's big government policies. They are evil.

You Bush worshipers deny that Bush had any big government policies. That makes you delusional.

I don't talk to crazy people.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-09-08   20:25:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#160. To: jwpegler (#159)

You Bush worshipers

Read post #154. WTF does it say? Do you need a fookin English translator, MORON?

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2010-09-08 20:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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