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Title: Leaked White House Memo Advises Democrats on How to Spin Obamacare
Source: theweeklystandard.com
URL Source: http://www.theweeklystandard.com/bl ... s-democrats-how-spin-obamacare
Published: Aug 21, 2010
Author: BY Jeffrey H. Anderson
Post Date: 2010-08-21 16:09:23 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Obamacare, health care
Views: 93956
Comments: 135

Politico has released a piece that begins as follows: "Key White House allies are dramatically shifting their attempts to defend health care legislation, abandoning claims that it will reduce costs and deficit, and instead stressing a promise to 'improve it.'" This is a truly remarkable sentence. Legislation that the Congressional Budget Office says would cost about $2.5 trillion in its real first decade (2014 to 2023) wouldn't do the one thing that Americans most want out of health-care legislation: cut health care costs. It wouldn't, despite the administration's repeated claims to the contrary, cut deficits. But, on the bright side, it can (allegedly) be improved. That's an amazingly tepid claim to make on behalf of something with Obamacare's price tag.

The truth is that Obamacare cannot be improved. It can only be repealed. It was passed as "comprehensive legislation," and it must be repealed comprehensively.

The vast majority of Americans recognize this. Rasmussen's latest survey of likely voters shows Americans favoring repeal by the overwhelming tally of 60 to 36 percent. This 24-point margin is Rasmussen's 2nd-highest in the 21 polls it has conducted in the five months since passage, despite, as Politico puts it, "the White House's all-out communications effort" in the interim – much of it at taxpayer expense.

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#8. To: war (#5) (Edited)

But republicans... are the worst liars and spinners in Politics.

As a party that's generally true, and it's certainly true about the GOP "leadership". However, there are a handful of honest elected Republicans.

Where are the honest Democrats other than Kucinich? And no, please don't bring up the lying "blue dogs" who are the most dishonest Democrats of them all -- passing themselves off as "moderates" while voting in lockstep with Obama and Pelosi on most things.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-08-21   19:00:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: war (#7)

I'm a reality check for you. You spent two days lying and got spanked.

You're a legend in your own mind War. Just how many voices do you hear by the way?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   20:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#9)

Conversely, how long have you felt you were Neo's hovercraft ship they used to hack into the Matrix with in that movie series?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-08-21   20:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

Conversely, how long have you felt you were Neo's hovercraft ship they used to hack into the Matrix with in that movie series?

Tis a great name, no?

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-21   22:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#11)

Not bad. I know I thought it cool when I saw it in the Matrix.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2010-08-22   0:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#9)

Just how many voices do you hear by the way?

Male or female?

war  posted on  2010-08-22   8:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#8)

However, there are a handful of honest elected Republicans.

Bullshit.

Mike McMahon is an honest man.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   8:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Nebuchadnezzar, war (#6)

Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes.

Your credibility just took another hit War.

BUSTED.

War has no compunction about lying and mischaracterizations. It's like breathing. ALL liberals and Leftists justify their BS when it suits their agenda.

Liberator  posted on  2010-08-22   12:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Liberator, Nebuchadnezzar, war (#15)

Oh puhleez. You shill for Obama 24/7 on this forum. You've voted for Obama in '08. You continually support just about ever action he takes. Your credibility just took another hit War.

war is a real trip. He takes statist, leftist shilling to a new level.

I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   13:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ignore Amos (#16) (Edited)

I think he believes that there is something inherently different about republicans. Some defect in their DNA, perhaps?

When George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem, I'd say it's just plain mental retardation - at a functional level.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   13:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: war (#17)

George W. Bush and Sarah Palin are whom you've presented and are presenting as a solution to the problem . . .

Is Alvin Greene a republican?

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   13:53:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ignore Amos (#18)

He's running for POTUS?

war  posted on  2010-08-22   13:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#19)

He's running for POTUS?

Nope. Neither is Bush or Palin. One is disqualified by the Constitution, the other by herself and the so called "intelligentsia".

Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way, I'll repeat the question: is Alvin Greene a republican? (since you seem to be of the mindset that only republicans are terrible (i.e. suck))

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-22   14:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ignore Amos (#20)

Now that we've gotten your obfuscation out of the way

Mine?

Green would be one of 100.

YOU voted for the Boy Blunder and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   14:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Liberator (#15)

War has no compunction about lying and mischaracterizations. It's like breathing. ALL liberals and Leftists justify their BS when it suits their agenda.

I know he is a congenital liar. When I point out another Obama fuck up he resorts to "It's bush's fault!".

No matter how tenuous the link to a past Republican President (Reagan is the one who started the deficits...blah, blah, blah...) it's always a Republicans fault.

Well I have news for all. The most strung-out on heroin, drunk all day Republican is better than the "smartest" Democrat.

Being a Democratic shill means you check your humanity at the door.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-08-22   14:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#22)

I know he is a congenital liar.

Chuckles...I proved that you lied about what was presented about the stim. I proved that you lied about the unemployment rate in February of 2009. I proved that you lied - using your own chart - about the effects of the stim.

ON the other hand, you've correctly identified exactly 0 "lies" I may have told.

war  posted on  2010-08-22   14:30:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#21)

YOU voted for the Boy Blunder
Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens - if I can't vote FOR someone, the ballot will remain blank.
and, I suspect, would vote for Palin were she the nominee.
She won't be, so I'll never have the choice.

But - unlike you - I'm not waiting for a coming political messiah. I realize that all politicians have faults, say stupid things, and do stupid things like mis-spell potato and give a Howard Dean screech. I'm not going to let the statist media decide for me.

Bottom line: when candidates propose returning to a Constitutional gov't, I'll support them. When they don't, I won't.

Simple as that.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   7:48:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ignore Amos (#24) (Edited)

Yep - guilty on that one. Lesser of two evils and all that. 2004 will be the last time that happens

Chuckles...you sit there and lecture me - I haven't voted for a major party candidate for POTUS since 1988 and have voted for less than five major party candidates for national office over the same period - and you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb.

Remind me again why I should take you seriously?

war  posted on  2010-08-23   8:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

you had a chance to pick a smart guy over a dumb one and you opted for dumb.

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Remind me again why I should take YOU seriously.

Wake me up when you can get past your mindless "democrats good, republicans bad" fairytales.

'til then, you're not worthy of a serious discussion.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   8:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ignore Amos (#26) (Edited)

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Yes, they are.

But the point is, on just a relative basis they are on a knowledge plain light years ahead of Boy Blunder. The debates should have showed you that.

You voted for a fucking dunce.

war  posted on  2010-08-23   8:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

You think Owlgore and John F'n Kerry were SMART?

Yes, they are

Look - you're a statist, which is perfectly within your rights. If you want to argue the statism of a Gore or a Kerry as opposed to the statism of Bush, that's fine.

Go ahead and support whatever statist candidate floats your boat. (as long as he/she has a D after their name, that is.)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Arguing their "intelligence" against Bush's is like arguing the intelligence of Moe vs. Larry vs. Curly.

In the end, they're all stooges.

If they had any smarts or integrity, they'd be in another line of work.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-23   9:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ignore Amos (#28)

... is like arguing the intelligence of Moe vs. Larry vs. Curly.

That's easy; Moe was the brains of the three.

"Lets [sic] rent a room." ~ Jethro Tull to Rotara

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-08-25   9:33:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

Moe was the brains of the three.

And probably would have made a better POTUS than any of the potential crop out there now . . .

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-25   9:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ignore Amos (#28)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Compared to Bush they were. Again, the debates clearly showed what a dunce Bush was next to those two. Kerry absolutely wiped the floor with Bush and it's why the race ended up as close as it did.

Gore...the press and Freepers were more interested in reporting HOW he spoke...his makeup...his off camera reactions than in anything he said. Meanwhile, when Bush babbled incoherently the press simply reportred he did "as expected". We expected a candidate to babble incoherently and he met thos expectations?!?

war  posted on  2010-08-25   10:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war, sneakypete (#31)

But don't try to sell me the bullshit that Kerry or Gore are Mensa candidates. Because they're not.

Compared to Bush they were.

Let's be generous and give both of us the benefit of the doubt. I want what's best for the country, as I assume you do, too. What is obvious is that my idea of "best for the country" differs substantially from yours.

We're likely never to agree on that.

What we MIGHT be able to agree on is that discussions like "who is the smarter candidate" miss the larger point. Because if I tend to agree with a candidate's stand on the issues that I care about, I'm likely to overlook his/her shortcomings. I suspect you do the same with candidates with whom you agree.

The larger point (to me) is this: Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?

Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well.

The system is broken and has been for quite a long time. sneakypete responded to a point I made about politics becoming a cult of personality (rather than a discussion of policies or issues).

Perhaps that is by design, and "we the people" should take it back and demand better.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   8:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ignore Amos (#32) (Edited)

Because if I tend to agree with a candidate's stand on the issues that I care about, I'm likely to overlook his/her shortcomings. I suspect you do the same with candidates with whom you agree.

Let's cut to the chase here. A guy in a wheelchair looks at my house and tells me I need a new roof. I agree with him. Am I going to allow him to put it up? No.

Okay...so all we need the wheel chair guy to do is recognize that I need a new roof and trust that he's going to hire the right guys to do the job. Put Bush in that wheelchair and now look at his crew...he had the same fucking morons around him that blundered into Iraq in the first place. He had the same group of guys that engineered to blow up of the S&L's.

Bush had FAILURE written all over him. I love my brother in law to death. I agree with him on everything from wine, to music, to books, to politics. There is NO WAY I would ever give him a job. Ever.

war  posted on  2010-08-26   8:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ignore Amos (#32)

Why, in a country of 300 million, are we reduced to selecting from such a shitty pool of candidates?

Bush was the BEST candidate to represent the "conservative" point of view??? Give me a freaking break - he's about as conservative as John McClown. Likewise, Kerry and Gore were flawed as well.

How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone.

If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   8:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush

Okay war, you win. Bush is the reason we don't have Constitutional government anymore. Bush is the reason our "empire" is crumbling. Hell - Bush is the reason we have global warming. /extreme sarcasm off

I can see I've overestimated your ability to have a political discussion. Your insane hatred of Bush prevents it. It borders on the pathological - you should seek help. What happened - did Bush kick your ass a some point in your life?

It's people like you that have given us President Zero. Oh, you can say you didn't vote for him, but tell me what statist policies of his you disagree with?

It's people like you that prove that self-government is doomed to failure.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   8:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#34)

Obama is a Muslim.

Obama is likely a muslim. He certainly isn't a christian.

He was born to muslim father. He went to muslim school. He celebrates muslim holidays and covers up christian symbols. He said the sweetest sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer. He said "his muslim faith" go George Step His vision for NASA is to promote muslims

Only the blind would say there is no evidence he is a muslim. This is just off the top of my head there is much more.

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-26   8:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

How many, of those who are qualified, are willing to go through the political shredder? Endless fund raising, microscopic scrutiny, and death threats don't appeal to everyone.

If they ain't flawed enough on their own, the political process will manufacture fatal flaws to pin on them. Example: Obama is a Muslim.

You make some excellent points.

My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"?

Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception?

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   9:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ignore Amos (#35)

I didn't vote for Obama. I voted for Tim Gannon.

Probably will in 2012 as well...

war  posted on  2010-08-26   9:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)

He certainly isn't a christian.

You certainly appear to be less of one than he does.

war  posted on  2010-08-26   9:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#36)

Obama is likely a muslim. He certainly isn't a christian.

He was born to muslim father. He went to muslim school. He celebrates muslim holidays and covers up christian symbols. He said the sweetest sound in the world is the muslim call to prayer. He said "his muslim faith" go George Step His vision for NASA is to promote muslims

Only the blind would say there is no evidence he is a muslim. This is just off the top of my head there is much more.

Thank you. I couldn't have illustrated my point better.

As an aside, you don't match my picture of a Christian.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   9:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#40)

As an aside, you don't match my picture of a Christian.

Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-08-26   9:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ignore Amos (#37)

My only question to you is this: is the fact that there is a perception out there that "Obama is a Muslim" solely due to the "political process"?

Or does Obama himself bear some of the blame for the perception?

Certainly Obama does not have any responsibility for what religion his father was born into (and chose not to practice).

IMHO, Obama has very little to do with that perception - its that microscopic and selective scrutiny thing. It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   9:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Badeye (#41)

Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.

You really have no talent as a mind reader. I'd give it up if I were you.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-08-26   9:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Badeye (#41)

Thats because Liberals like yourself see 'christians' as demons.

And you see Christians as gullible, naive and easy to politically manipulate.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-26   10:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#42)

It ignores stuff like he was married in a church, his children were baptized, and his wife has exposed arms, shoulders, cleavage, legs, knees - publicly and often.

Some of this I attribute to the "dog days of August". Slow news and all.

That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."

Now, being human, I'll admit to raising eyebrows or shaking my head at some of what Zero has DONE. But I don't believe it's my place to make a declarative statement "he's not a Christian" when he says he is one.

If he is, he does (by definition) come under the Lordship of Christ. So we're to leave it to Christ to make the final determination.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   10:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ignore Amos (#45)

That said - the way I try to live my Christianity is to accept it at face value when someone says about themself "I am a Christian."

There is a certain need to show the world that by accepting Jesus Christ the person has also accepted some of the basic standards Jesus expoused, or the word hypocrite comes to mind.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

mininggold  posted on  2010-08-26   10:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lucysmom (#43)

One final point about this whole "Obama = muslim" thing:

IIRC, the polling data suggests that the number of people who doubt that Obama is a Christian has gone UP since he's been on the scene.

One would expect it to go down. I find that interesting.

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Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-08-26   10:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Ignore Amos (#47)

IIRC, the polling data suggests that the number of people who doubt that Obama is a Christian has gone UP since he's been on the scene.

All polls, on such a subjective topic do, is quantify statistics on the effectiveness of the media.

"See in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --- George W. Bush (Rochester NY, 5-24-2005)

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